Pavel Chekov Wears Rocket Ship Underoos

Friending meme, Y/N?

I vote Y :3

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WHATEVER. YOU'LL DO IT ANYWAY BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T I'M GONNA TURN RILEY INTO THE FANDOM BICYCLE AND HE'S GONNA BREAK KYLE'S HEART.

IT WILL GO LIKE THIS:
"ONE DAY KEVIN RILEY WOKE UP FULL OF ALIEN SEX POLLEN. SO HE SLEPT WITH DR. MCCOY, CAPTAIN KIRK, CHEKOV, SULU, RAND, CHAPEL AND UHURA. AND THEN JOHN KYLE WEPT BITTER TEARS INTO HIS OATMEAL. THE END, TAKE THAT

6street"

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?

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I THINK SHE WOULD. YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T TEMPT HER.

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YOU'LL HAVE TO BE HERE TO STOP ME. MUAHAHAHA.

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vivid-butterfly.livejournal.com

Uh, I'm pretty sure I'll stop you...

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NEVAR

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vivid-butterfly.livejournal.com

Mmm. Yeah.

(Besides, Riley already is a bit of a ho. In a good way.)

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Re: the major/minor response in challenge suggestions- sorry,

gladdecease, but I think you've way missed the boat on that one.

Also, yaaaaaay friending meme.

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Seriously *pats Kirk* taking the backseat XD

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Yeah, between me,

6street,

vivid_butterfly, and

_samalander, the bridge crew (plus McCoy) didn't stand a chance.

~~And Kirk should always take the backseat. He's not nearly awesome enough to sit up front.~~

Edited Date: 2009-07-23 03:39 am (UTC)

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EGADS.

TAKE THAT BACK SIR OR MADAM *covers Kirk's ears*. He is *too* awesome XD

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He's an ass. I find him unawesome*. *stubborn*

Also it's madam. Since you asked.

*diary!Kirk is less unawesome than his various other incarnations.

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Okay, I grant you that. He *is* an ass, but he's a flawed character. He's an ass and so has room for improvement! *pats Kirk* I mean flawed heros = love.

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I have no problems with flawed characters. My problem with Kirk is that it's always about him. No matter who accomplishes what, it's always credited as Kirk's doing, even though half the time he has nothing to do with it.

Also, everyone's always fawning over him and acting like he can do no wrong. He cheats, he breaks rules, he makes his own rules and then breaks them too, and then everyone acts like it's okay because it turned out well in the end. The most he ever gets is a slap on the wrist and a warning not to do it again.

And also, people act like he's so great at keeping his crew alive, but crewmembers die every week on his watch- how is that protecting his crew? Assigning them to a landing party is practically signing their death warrants, yet everyone treats him like he's this great hero who never gets anyone killed.

And that's why I hate him. It's not because he's flawed, it's because everyone acts like he's not.

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Ha ha.. *cowers* okay. He's credited because he's the captain and he's there to direct his team to such and such accomplishments. It's that way with everything really, yes, it's unfair but the lead scientist gets credited for a team's accomplishment, and sometimes a top scorer gets credited for the team's win. I don't about "half the time he has nothing do with it", really? Yes to everything else, but it's space, it's not safe. There's death to demonstrate the peril they have to face. Maybe because he's good at keeping his bridge crew alive or maybe he has less deaths in comparison to other starships?

Well he is flawed. I don't think anyone acts like he's not, it's just that people love him regardless I think is the problem. But to each their own, y/y? :3

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Case in point:

He's on trial about whether to stay in the fleet at all. He sneaks onto the ship- okay, he was the only one that realized what was going on, yes, but that's beside the point at the moment.

So he sneaks on the ship, right? Then, when things get a little hairy, the first officer gets promoted to Acting Captain- completely logical- and rather than promoting the second officer to first officer, as per the chain of command, the cadet who's about to get kicked out of the fleet gets promoted instead.

Later, after insulting Amanda (which you just don't do), he becomes Acting Captain and Saves the Day.

Which is all fine and dandy, and let's have a party.

What Should Have Happened:

He gets a medal. He gets cleared of charges. He gets promoted one rank (not six), and gets assigned to the Enterprise with the knowledge that if he keeps up as he does, then when he has a little more experience, he could be captain.

Instead, he becomes captain at 25, straight out of the academy, with absolutely no experience under his belt, and nobody (universe wise, I've seen sensible parts of the fandom complaining) sees a problem with this?

Example of the death thing:

In the novel 'The Captain's Daughter', when Chekov gets into a fistfight with Captain Harriman about causing ~~his~~ Sulu's daughter's death, he says that "Keptin Kirk vould have found a vay. She vould not have died." Chekov seems to think that no one ever died on Kirk's watch, and this was the attitude generally directed at him from all sides.

Now, can you honestly say that if you had someone in your life who was like Kirk, who always broke the rules and got away with it, who always got credit for other people's work, who always had to be the center of attention, can you honestly say that you wouldn't have a problem with him/her? Because I would, and I don't know why so many people apparently wouldn't.

(See? It is not just irrational hatred, I have given this thought.)

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He was merited as they saw fit -- he saved the flagship, a polished captain, stopped a threat to the Federation of Planets as a whole that consequently destroyed another *whole* planet and one with a distinguished people at that, helped buy time to save some of the Vulcan people, and prevented the destruction of Earth. I mean..? "Oh great job, cadet. You are promoted one rank! Next time you save the Earth and the Federation, we'll think about promoting you again!" You know what I mean? He pretty much proved his competence, imo.

And with Chekov, that seems really circumstantial. It sounds a lot more like it's just wishful thinking on his part. Someone just died and he's trying to cope, like when someone loses a loved one and they're in denial? Like "Oh he wouldn't have died if.. x and x happened or if x was there." Y/N? He admires his captain. He just thinks he could've saved this person, because he's like a child (to me) and he thinks his great captain can do anything.

Or maybe that's me overthinking that hahaha, nvm in that case! But that's just the vibe I'm getting on.

Um, no I honestly can't say I wouldn't have a problem with him/her. I probably would *shrugs*

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The question isn't whether he's competent enough to be a hero, it's whether he has the experience needed to run an entire ship for five years in space, with next-to-no in put from outside.

Chekov was in his- I think maybe fifties?- at the time that happened, so he's far more than a child. He's got experiences of his own under his belt, and anyway, I meant that just as an example of the attitude generally directed at Kirk re: lifesaving, not as an isolated incident. Kirk managed to kill off half his crew in just three seasons and everyone still acts like he's this giant hero just because he kept seven or eight specific people alive for five years.

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What's the deal with Chekov remaining an Ensign after all he did in the film?! He was smarter than Spock and should totally have been made a lieutenant!

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He's not Kirk, therefore, the universe doesn't bow to his whims.

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My universe does. You know. The one I keep in my pants?

/dirty old lady.

You, Bubbleslady! Go write things! gooooooo!

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I'm going! I'm going! Also, Spock totally wasn't about to listen. He probably was all "...Actually, Captain, I am far too busy and I think you should get someone else to do it."

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No one else could take her out and you know it. Kirk'd call in Leslie and Galloway and they'd be like "...you're kidding, right?" and Caroline would just laugh.

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Yeah, but to take her out Spock would have to touch her and he'd get a whiff of her strong very-much-on-the-surface emotions and no one wants that.

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Lucky for them, she knows he's the only person on the ship who can take her and didn't feel like calling the bluff.

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This is why Giotto spent most of their time on the Farragut trying to steal her for Security.

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She wasn't interested. No death wish. Anyway, who wants to defend idiots when you could be flying?

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That didn't stop him trying. He's currently also trying to recruit Chekov. He will eventually succeed.

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No way! Not enough math in security!

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Yes, but canonically, Chekov became Chief of Security after Giotto left/retired/got killed/something.

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Oh, fine. Be that way. Now, no more talking til you give me STORY.</small.

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I'm working on it. Besides, talking helps me think.

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